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Wings Of Glory said:
Wanted to give yall an explanation deeper into some things I've said. When I say 2 weeks I'm talking about him striking out however we've been working with him since August on being very pushy and trying to kick I understand 2 weeks sounds like a short time but he strikes in his stall as well which also includes feeding time because I have self care board. This means in 2 weeks we've tried to stop him from doing it every time we feed, train, water, ect. I know that switching between only positive reinforcement and only negative reinforcement is confusing but in my training I always use a balance of both so the things I'm telling him are not new at all. The only thing I've tried to change is him rearing and striking because he had never done that the training would be new to him anyways. He does have amazing bloodlines and he's even homozygous for dun and overo but at this point I don't think it is worth the risk of him becoming even more aggressive if he's bred
I don't doubt you know what you're doing, but I do agree that it's not worth it. You wouldn't want to risk passing that temperament on to his offspring as well |
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Mediterranean said:
Wings Of Glory said:
Wanted to give yall an explanation deeper into some things I've said. When I say 2 weeks I'm talking about him striking out however we've been working with him since August on being very pushy and trying to kick I understand 2 weeks sounds like a short time but he strikes in his stall as well which also includes feeding time because I have self care board. This means in 2 weeks we've tried to stop him from doing it every time we feed, train, water, ect. I know that switching between only positive reinforcement and only negative reinforcement is confusing but in my training I always use a balance of both so the things I'm telling him are not new at all. The only thing I've tried to change is him rearing and striking because he had never done that the training would be new to him anyways. He does have amazing bloodlines and he's even homozygous for dun and overo but at this point I don't think it is worth the risk of him becoming even more aggressive if he's bred
I don't doubt you know what you're doing, but I do agree that it's not worth it. You wouldn't want to risk passing that temperament on to his offspring as well
That's exactly what we were thinking as well he might be pretty but I'd rather have a pretty gelding than a stallion who's a ticking time bomb |
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Yeah definately not, I wouldn't either... that's why I said 'desperate' XD
FirstLightFarms said:
Helderfontein said:
I'd geld it for sure... it doesn't sound like his balls are worth the danger at all. Apparently you can save the semen when they are gelded. Possibly talk to your vet if you're desperate for some offspring? Otherwise there is no reason for him to stay a stallion if he's that dangerous, because it will only get worse.
I wouldn't want to breed anything that's behaving dangerously.
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That sounds like such a shame. It's so devastating when you get horses that are amazing on paper but just don't cut it on the behavioural side... |
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If a colt's behaviour isn't perfect, and I mean perfect except when there's a medical issue, then it's not worth keeping him as a stud. A nasty temper is nothing to mess with, and can be passed on. If you have a mare with a nasty temper/behaviour issues and breed her to a stud with said same issues the foal is going to be a ticking time bomb. My friends who keeps stallions always say the stud has to be near perfect in every way if he's going to keep his nuts. If he has minor conformation issues nothing to sever but a perfect temper they may keep the stud colt as a stud, but any major flaws in conformation or temper and off they go. |
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Hey, Ultimatly You may not want too keep him a stud however if thats not an option I would try Round Penning. This gives you a small area to work him rather than in a large arena but also gives you enough space to safetly be around him. I would Try to get his feet moving and give him a job, Ive worked with colts like this and I often see this behavour when they get bored as they begin to test new waters. When he strikes out or is being pushy work him for 20 minutes in a round pen, when hes good turn him back out this will teach him that when hes being a dink he has to do work and get pushed around however when hes not he gets to be a horse. I would give him Another Month or two with constant work untill sent to the proffesionals and then see how he is after, often young horses can be taught bad habits with a simple flinch or reaction from you and its not always a genetic thing. Ive seen stud colts spoiled with no work then after a month of constant work they are a different horse. |
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Crossroad Manor said:
Hey, Ultimatly You may not want too keep him a stud however if thats not an option I would try Round Penning. This gives you a small area to work him rather than in a large arena but also gives you enough space to safetly be around him. I would Try to get his feet moving and give him a job, Ive worked with colts like this and I often see this behavour when they get bored as they begin to test new waters. When he strikes out or is being pushy work him for 20 minutes in a round pen, when hes good turn him back out this will teach him that when hes being a dink he has to do work and get pushed around however when hes not he gets to be a horse. I would give him Another Month or two with constant work untill sent to the proffesionals and then see how he is after, often young horses can be taught bad habits with a simple flinch or reaction from you and its not always a genetic thing. Ive seen stud colts spoiled with no work then after a month of constant work they are a different horse.
we've tried roundpenning and lunging overall our indoor is small about the same size as an indoor roundpen but with corners. Getting his feet moving doesnt really help him alot because when you ask him to move his feet he will just bolt and hype himself up even more making him more hot and harder to handle. I have found that this week lunging slowly stopping desensitizing and then doing some trot and lope is what's been helping him the most. Ive been doing 30 minute sessions of just walking him around everywhere and it has helped a ton. The problem with roundpenning him like a typical horse is that he loves running and even when sweaty considers that to be the reward and the stopping to be the discipline. His papers are full of speed horses and runners which could explain why he's just obsessed with running. But when we tried that with him it made him like 1000 times worse and made him gain a habit of bolting into the arena and just starting to run in circles. He learns really fast which can also be a bad thing. So when he learned that bad habits would let him run he started doing them more. So now what we've been doing is when he tries to rear or strike he gets backed up alot and he's since pretty much stopped doing all of it. The worst habit he has is still there and has been there since birth from him. When we got him from his previous owners they never taught him personal space and only taught him to cuddle and bump into them to get cuddles so he pushes into you and tries to move you out of his way. Backing up has definitely helped with this and ryan rose's technique of "owning space" has worked wonders but it still needs more time of consistent training for it to get better. Overall he has been doing better after we took a step back and just started trying to be calmer and walk around letting him learn he doesnt always have to do bad things to get to have fun. |
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There is such thing as cutting a horse too early. I have had issues with early gelding causing larger behavioral problems. I would give it more time and be firm, don't be hasty with castration. He's young, it could be a phase, bad phases with young horses are very very real. |
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Holly Hill Farm said:
There is such thing as cutting a horse too early. I have had issues with early gelding causing larger behavioral problems. I would give it more time and be firm, don't be hasty with castration. He's young, it could be a phase, bad phases with young horses are very very real.
9 months isnt early at all. Its more than appropriate as many geldings are done before they are weaned so mama can comfort. Color is no reason to keep a naughty stud colt in tact and overo and dun are common enough. Also round penning such a young horse is not the best route IMO but he does need manners. That aside has there been changes in his life in those two weeks....he may have ulcers, tooth discomfort etc. I'd have a full vetting done to see if there is a reason he is acting out. I'm a big proponent of stud colts having impecable manners when interacting with people |
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Also adding that he would have "just" started to get testosterone. |
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